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		<title>By: Manoj</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Manoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's ok. It was not a &lt;em&gt;conscious&lt;/em&gt; mistake after all. ha ha ha. (See, you're not the only one who can make bad jokes around here).
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		<title>By: aNTi</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>aNTi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.. and a day after i comment i find that my spelling is as bad as my jokes... I meant conscious!</description>
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		<title>By: Manoj</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Manoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) It's true I haven't spent too much time advertising my blog (unless Blogwise, Technorati + Indibloggers actually qualifies as hardcore advertisement). Very intentional. I don't want to take myself too seriously and think everyone will be interested in what I have to say. Rather have people find it themselves and stay on if they are interested. Except for a couple, not even friends know I blog. Don't want them to feel obligated to read &#38; comment. 
I think Blogrolling is very cool, but again, I don't want someone reading my blog just because I blogrolled them. So I haven't been on a spree either. But if someone wants to put me on their sidebar, then I have no problems with that. In fact, that is kind of flattering. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:) It&#8217;s true I haven&#8217;t spent too much time advertising my blog (unless Blogwise, Technorati + Indibloggers actually qualifies as hardcore advertisement). Very intentional. I don&#8217;t want to take myself too seriously and think everyone will be interested in what I have to say. Rather have people find it themselves and stay on if they are interested. Except for a couple, not even friends know I blog. Don&#8217;t want them to feel obligated to read &amp; comment.<br />
I think Blogrolling is very cool, but again, I don&#8217;t want someone reading my blog just because I blogrolled them. So I haven&#8217;t been on a spree either. But if someone wants to put me on their sidebar, then I have no problems with that. In fact, that is kind of flattering. :)</p>
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		<title>By: aNTi</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>aNTi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah... I did not have to ask you. But you seem to be very very, how shall I put it, discreet and I thought mebbe that was concious. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nah&#8230; I did not have to ask you. But you seem to be very very, how shall I put it, discreet and I thought mebbe that was concious.</p>
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		<title>By: Manoj</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Manoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2005 04:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-171</guid>
		<description>I was not even referring to the fights...I think both camps come off as a bunch of neandarthals. But truth remains that Rahman fans are kind of "&lt;em&gt;huh..Uravenum Pudhiya what? Who cares?&lt;/em&gt;" compared to "&lt;em&gt;Oh! yeah, Parotta Parotta sucked ass&lt;/em&gt;" from the Raja camp! :) And this, from my personal experience. As far as Tfmpage, I completely agree with you about the terrible dearth of intelligent discussion. And I'll take your word for the present Rahman bashing there, cos' its been ages since I even read those kind of threads. The Rahman-Raja wars used to be very objective...now its just devolves into a full-fledged cuss-fest. Horrid!

Blogroll me? Sure...go ahead! In fact, I didn't even know one needed to ask. Is there some kind of blog-etiquette that I don't know of? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not even referring to the fights&#8230;I think both camps come off as a bunch of neandarthals. But truth remains that Rahman fans are kind of &#8220;<em>huh..Uravenum Pudhiya what? Who cares?</em>&#8221; compared to &#8220;<em>Oh! yeah, Parotta Parotta sucked ass</em>&#8221; from the Raja camp! :) And this, from my personal experience. As far as Tfmpage, I completely agree with you about the terrible dearth of intelligent discussion. And I&#8217;ll take your word for the present Rahman bashing there, cos&#8217; its been ages since I even read those kind of threads. The Rahman-Raja wars used to be very objective&#8230;now its just devolves into a full-fledged cuss-fest. Horrid!</p>
<p>Blogroll me? Sure&#8230;go ahead! In fact, I didn&#8217;t even know one needed to ask. Is there some kind of blog-etiquette that I don&#8217;t know of? :)</p>
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		<title>By: aNTi</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>aNTi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-168</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;From personal experience, I have a bigger grudge against the Rahman fans cosâ€™ most of them seem oblivious to what Ilaiyaraja has achieved.&lt;/em&gt;

I am a fellow member of the â€˜Raja-Rahman Admirers Clubâ€™, but do not agree with your line. I was just starting out on TFMpage when I found that the Rahman bashing there goes to great lengths. And the threats and unparlimentary words (i am neither a prude nor a saint btw) directed at posters by one another made me swear off TFMpage. I was a Raaja Yahoogroup member for sometime and have been a ARR Yahoo group member for sometime now. I don't post much, but use it for info on ARR. Personal experience makes me contradict you. But ya, each of them rocks in their own way..  Can I blogroll you, btw?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>From personal experience, I have a bigger grudge against the Rahman fans cosâ€™ most of them seem oblivious to what Ilaiyaraja has achieved.</em></p>
<p>I am a fellow member of the â€˜Raja-Rahman Admirers Clubâ€™, but do not agree with your line. I was just starting out on TFMpage when I found that the Rahman bashing there goes to great lengths. And the threats and unparlimentary words (i am neither a prude nor a saint btw) directed at posters by one another made me swear off TFMpage. I was a Raaja Yahoogroup member for sometime and have been a ARR Yahoo group member for sometime now. I don&#8217;t post much, but use it for info on ARR. Personal experience makes me contradict you. But ya, each of them rocks in their own way..  Can I blogroll you, btw?</p>
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		<title>By: Muthuvel</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Muthuvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 03:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's indeed an impressive list..some of my fave ones too..BTW, i can agree with you Rahman fans being very oblivious to what Raja has achieved. I have been in some tfm forums where ppl posted for the heck of doing it with lotta bad words sprinkled. But then that must be because of the generation gap. Most of the so-called Rahman fans(who only love Rahman) are teenagers and ppl in their 20s and they wouldn't have gone for giving a serious ear to IR songs, as those songs aren't in their times. Pity they are losing the taste of a treasure.
 Though my age bracket too falls under that early 20s, i think am blessed to have a brought up with lotta Ilaiyaraja gems n Rahman albums too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s indeed an impressive list..some of my fave ones too..BTW, i can agree with you Rahman fans being very oblivious to what Raja has achieved. I have been in some tfm forums where ppl posted for the heck of doing it with lotta bad words sprinkled. But then that must be because of the generation gap. Most of the so-called Rahman fans(who only love Rahman) are teenagers and ppl in their 20s and they wouldn&#8217;t have gone for giving a serious ear to IR songs, as those songs aren&#8217;t in their times. Pity they are losing the taste of a treasure.<br />
 Though my age bracket too falls under that early 20s, i think am blessed to have a brought up with lotta Ilaiyaraja gems n Rahman albums too.</p>
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		<title>By: Manoj</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Manoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 02:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-137</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kaps&lt;/strong&gt;: Is this the &lt;a href="http://cms.n7w.com/index.php?id=2" rel="nofollow"&gt;site&lt;/a&gt; you're referring to? That's an awful lot of choices for the nondiscriminating voter, but for the  desi voting juggernaut, it just means an awful lot of time to rally the cause for the Taj Mahal. :)

&lt;strong&gt;Muthuvel&lt;/strong&gt;: The 'Raja-Rahman Admirers Club' has a decent-sized membership, but the fanatics that live outside of it are so many in number, that its members can boast of being kind of exclusive. From personal experience, I have a bigger grudge against the Rahman fans cos' most of them seem oblivious to what Ilaiyaraja has achieved. Their benchmark for comparison are the usual Raja songs that figure on a badly compiled HMV collection. Not many of them have sampled even 10% of his work (I'm still discovering some of his gems). Raja fans, on the other hand, are usually much more familiar with Rahman's body of work. After all, it's not really much when compared to Raja. I'm not as intolerant of such compare-contrast wars, as I'm of arguments without substance. To use a (possibly inane) geeky example, it's like saying I.Explorer is surely better than Firefox, without having even installed it. You need to experience both worlds, in most of its entirety, to atleast make an educated opinion. I'm bad at explaining some of my rationale, but hopefully all this made some sense! :)

Both Raja &#38; Rahman never cease to amaze me when it comes to how nearly flawless their orchestration/arrangement is. Most of the time atleast. It's all about the music for me, and that's what makes a great composer stand out from the rest. Many Indian composers can stake claim to coming up with the best tunes ever, but few can boast of &lt;b&gt;complete&lt;/b&gt; songs, where every chord was carefully placed, every instrument or sound that accompanied the tune was perfect. In my opinion, Rahman &#38; Raja are complete composers and exist by themselves in a parallel universe. So yeah, some of my Rahman favorites would be songs that held me in awe just because of an amazing interlude or his seamless use of varied sounds. I'm not good at making lists, so I'll rattle off some songs that come to mind. 

* Veerapaandi Kottaiyile - The interludes in this song are mind-boggling, as he layers sound upon sound  until they finally erupt in perfect harmony. In fact, Thiruda Thiruda is probably my favorite Rahman album. 
*  Pachchai Nirame: Maybe the only Hariharan song where I didn't really give a damn about his singing. This song is just about the music.
* Aathangara Marame - I never realized the guitar &#38; ghatam could make a rustic song sound so stylish. The guitar in all its different avatars in this song, strumming/lead/sliding, makes listening to it such a pleasure. Of course, I've listened to other Rahman songs just for his wonderful use of acoustic guitars. Kannalanae &#38; Khamosh Raat (Takshak) come to mind.
*  Thirakaadha KaatuKulle: Wonderful composition that sadly never got the recognition it so deserved. Overall exquisite. 
*  Kaadhalikkum Pennin Kaigal - I'm yet to tire of this song. A simple 1-2 beat and that catchy catchy synth bass complimented by brief, but emphatically cool thavil breaks. Uber-cool song.
* Nenjam Ellaam Kaadhal: Just that unique rhythm will have me hooked to this song for a long time. Inspite of Adnan Sami.
*  Dil Se Re - I still haven't quite figured out what it is about this song that thrills me everytime I listen to it. Maybe that's why they just call some songs - haunting!
*  Thanga Thaamarai Magale - Rahman has always been good with using the bass. But this was the first song that really made me sit up &#38; take notice. It's a simple, recurring piece really, but the way it compliments that funky beat, just makes it awesome. This is one of those Rahman songs that requires listening on a nice music system. And need I even mention how cool SPB sang this song.
*  Azhagaana Raakshasiye: My second favorite Reethi Gowlai song after 'Thalaiyai Kuniyum Thaamaraiye'. SPB singing 'Muttaasu' &#38; 'Pattaasu' like only he can.
* Yeh Rishtha (Meenaxi): The transition from the mellow charanam with the sound of flowing water back to the pallavi with that infectious beat is a treat to listen everytime.
* Vaan Nila (Kaadhal Virus): Another song which blew me away with the music. Amazing!
* Chale Chalo (Lagaan): My favorite song in that movie. Pullarikka vekkum paadal. The part in the saranam where the girls start singing, repeated by the male voice which brings in that subtle tabla...sheer genius. And the way that second interlude ends with them violins and the clapping rhythm. Awesome.

I like almost all Rahman classical/semi-classical compositions, but the following efforts are special. 
* Kannaamboochi Yennada
* Sonnaalum Kaetpadhillai
* En Uyir Thozhiye (Kangalal Kaidhu Sei)
* and of course, Ennavale &#38; Narumugaiye

These are just some of his songs that came to mind. Like I said, this list could change a week from now. Plus, I'm tired from all the typing. :) Hope you atleast read half of what I wrote.

I'll talk about Roja another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kaps</strong>: Is this the <a href="http://cms.n7w.com/index.php?id=2" rel="nofollow">site</a> you&#8217;re referring to? That&#8217;s an awful lot of choices for the nondiscriminating voter, but for the  desi voting juggernaut, it just means an awful lot of time to rally the cause for the Taj Mahal. :)</p>
<p><strong>Muthuvel</strong>: The &#8216;Raja-Rahman Admirers Club&#8217; has a decent-sized membership, but the fanatics that live outside of it are so many in number, that its members can boast of being kind of exclusive. From personal experience, I have a bigger grudge against the Rahman fans cos&#8217; most of them seem oblivious to what Ilaiyaraja has achieved. Their benchmark for comparison are the usual Raja songs that figure on a badly compiled HMV collection. Not many of them have sampled even 10% of his work (I&#8217;m still discovering some of his gems). Raja fans, on the other hand, are usually much more familiar with Rahman&#8217;s body of work. After all, it&#8217;s not really much when compared to Raja. I&#8217;m not as intolerant of such compare-contrast wars, as I&#8217;m of arguments without substance. To use a (possibly inane) geeky example, it&#8217;s like saying I.Explorer is surely better than Firefox, without having even installed it. You need to experience both worlds, in most of its entirety, to atleast make an educated opinion. I&#8217;m bad at explaining some of my rationale, but hopefully all this made some sense! :)</p>
<p>Both Raja &amp; Rahman never cease to amaze me when it comes to how nearly flawless their orchestration/arrangement is. Most of the time atleast. It&#8217;s all about the music for me, and that&#8217;s what makes a great composer stand out from the rest. Many Indian composers can stake claim to coming up with the best tunes ever, but few can boast of <b>complete</b> songs, where every chord was carefully placed, every instrument or sound that accompanied the tune was perfect. In my opinion, Rahman &amp; Raja are complete composers and exist by themselves in a parallel universe. So yeah, some of my Rahman favorites would be songs that held me in awe just because of an amazing interlude or his seamless use of varied sounds. I&#8217;m not good at making lists, so I&#8217;ll rattle off some songs that come to mind. </p>
<p>* Veerapaandi Kottaiyile - The interludes in this song are mind-boggling, as he layers sound upon sound  until they finally erupt in perfect harmony. In fact, Thiruda Thiruda is probably my favorite Rahman album.<br />
*  Pachchai Nirame: Maybe the only Hariharan song where I didn&#8217;t really give a damn about his singing. This song is just about the music.<br />
* Aathangara Marame - I never realized the guitar &amp; ghatam could make a rustic song sound so stylish. The guitar in all its different avatars in this song, strumming/lead/sliding, makes listening to it such a pleasure. Of course, I&#8217;ve listened to other Rahman songs just for his wonderful use of acoustic guitars. Kannalanae &amp; Khamosh Raat (Takshak) come to mind.<br />
*  Thirakaadha KaatuKulle: Wonderful composition that sadly never got the recognition it so deserved. Overall exquisite.<br />
*  Kaadhalikkum Pennin Kaigal - I&#8217;m yet to tire of this song. A simple 1-2 beat and that catchy catchy synth bass complimented by brief, but emphatically cool thavil breaks. Uber-cool song.<br />
* Nenjam Ellaam Kaadhal: Just that unique rhythm will have me hooked to this song for a long time. Inspite of Adnan Sami.<br />
*  Dil Se Re - I still haven&#8217;t quite figured out what it is about this song that thrills me everytime I listen to it. Maybe that&#8217;s why they just call some songs - haunting!<br />
*  Thanga Thaamarai Magale - Rahman has always been good with using the bass. But this was the first song that really made me sit up &amp; take notice. It&#8217;s a simple, recurring piece really, but the way it compliments that funky beat, just makes it awesome. This is one of those Rahman songs that requires listening on a nice music system. And need I even mention how cool SPB sang this song.<br />
*  Azhagaana Raakshasiye: My second favorite Reethi Gowlai song after &#8216;Thalaiyai Kuniyum Thaamaraiye&#8217;. SPB singing &#8216;Muttaasu&#8217; &amp; &#8216;Pattaasu&#8217; like only he can.<br />
* Yeh Rishtha (Meenaxi): The transition from the mellow charanam with the sound of flowing water back to the pallavi with that infectious beat is a treat to listen everytime.<br />
* Vaan Nila (Kaadhal Virus): Another song which blew me away with the music. Amazing!<br />
* Chale Chalo (Lagaan): My favorite song in that movie. Pullarikka vekkum paadal. The part in the saranam where the girls start singing, repeated by the male voice which brings in that subtle tabla&#8230;sheer genius. And the way that second interlude ends with them violins and the clapping rhythm. Awesome.</p>
<p>I like almost all Rahman classical/semi-classical compositions, but the following efforts are special.<br />
* Kannaamboochi Yennada<br />
* Sonnaalum Kaetpadhillai<br />
* En Uyir Thozhiye (Kangalal Kaidhu Sei)<br />
* and of course, Ennavale &amp; Narumugaiye</p>
<p>These are just some of his songs that came to mind. Like I said, this list could change a week from now. Plus, I&#8217;m tired from all the typing. :) Hope you atleast read half of what I wrote.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll talk about Roja another day.</p>
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		<title>By: Muthuvel</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Muthuvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 15:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going by your previous entries, i guess u r open minded unlike many others who can choose only one of these two 'IR sucks, ARR rocks' &#38; ' ARR sucks,IR rocks'. I somewhere fall in the rare category saying both rock in their own way. Eager to hear opinion about Rahman's selection from a Raja fan and ur take on Roja at least here in the comments section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going by your previous entries, i guess u r open minded unlike many others who can choose only one of these two &#8216;IR sucks, ARR rocks&#8217; &amp; &#8216; ARR sucks,IR rocks&#8217;. I somewhere fall in the rare category saying both rock in their own way. Eager to hear opinion about Rahman&#8217;s selection from a Raja fan and ur take on Roja at least here in the comments section.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaps</title>
		<link>http://www.minorscale.net/2005/05/26/voting-excess/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 14:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the same voters will show their strength when it comes to voting for the New 7 Wonders of the world.</description>
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